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Section 111 can of worms???

As you may all be aware the GB Ultras in section 111 are being relocated or having the ST monies refunded due to “Health & Safety” breaches being Enforced by the GCC (allegedly).
I think the board are scoring a spectacular own goal by enforcing this decision as they should have had total control of 111 & all who sat there & supported Celtic…Do they not have the IDs,addresses,home phone numbers,mobile numbers & email addresses of the fans sitting there??
Was the security at 111 not over excessive??? More than normal extra Focus plod there (with cameras??)
If there were more than normal the amount of fans there shouldn’t the relevant authorities deal with this issue??
The pyro & bangers are causing lots of problems either with fellow fans with respiratory problems or fines from UEFA & should rightly be stamped out for “Safety reasons”….I don’t know what this ‘moshing’ shit is all about but if I saw a couple of fans “pretend fighting??” I would probably toe the baws aff them & tell them to “fuck up”..
“The lateral movement” may be a H&S issue but it’s also being blamed for the damage being done to seats in the section (the figures vary on this)…
We are all bound by rules & regs in this day & age & should do our utmost to see these rules are adhered to,especially if our team is going to be punished by the authorities for not following rules.
I would hope the GB & the board come to some sort of compromise & see some way to allowing the section being used to its full potential with banners flags & 90 minute singing

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But I don’t think compromise will be happening as I’m hearing that GB members are recieving letters from the board in regards to where they will be seated in future (being told where to sit…not offered) or the ST refund!!

In my opinion the board have made an arse of it as where before they could monitor or contain the “situation” in 111 ,but now with these GB bhoys & ghirls being scattered around the stadium there is a potential for 2,3,4,5 or maybe even 6 mini GB sections sprouting up all over CP.

The plod will be stretched to its limits trying to hire surveillance equipment to monitor all these new GB sections where support will grow for the GB.
The GB will not disappear but grow stronger match by match & may even end up more secretive & mysterious than they are now…who knows!!

The Underground Green Brigade Ultras will still make its presence known during match days, you can bet yer mortgage on it!!

I hope that the board know what they are doing HH KTF GBTGB COYBIG…commons or Sami the night in Sweden 2nil ;))

U-T-L-R 2006

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What’s with chrissy graham??

Take a bow Alec Salmond

Yesterday marked a turning point in the argument of the Green Brigade & Strathclydes FoCus unit about the continuing wave of intimidation,harassment & police heavy handed tactics!!

Strathclydes finest failed miserably & in spectacular style!!!

Horses..Riot vans..dogs..robocops in full riot gear & even a helicopter were dispatched to the “Potentially Explosive Danger Zone” we’re a full scale potential Riot was maybe on the cards…MAYBE!!!

Then again…MAYBE NOT!!!

Below is a blog by respected freelance journalist,broadcaster and editor Angela Haggerty who was there to witness 1st hand how the police overreacted & went totally OTT..

“Disproportionate” police presence and batons used on marchers at Glasgow’s Green Brigade football fan march
16 March 2013

(Picture courtesy of TCN)

Surrounded by 200 police officers – around one for every marcher there – almost 20 riot vans, a line of police horses, a helicopter and 13 arrests, this was the scene at a peaceful support march in Glasgow city centre in 2013.

Stunned witnesses reported watching women and children being struck with police batons simply for standing in the wrong place. The march was organised by the Green Brigade, whose members claim they have been victims of police harassment and intimidation as a result of Scottish government legislation they say criminalises football fans.

Marchers began assembling outside the Chrystal Bell pub in the Gallowgate and several police vans were quickly on the scene. Men, women and children assembled, chanting “Celtic fans against the bill” as they set off to their destination at Celtic Park for the afternoon game against Aberdeen.

The procession marched up Watson Street and onto Bell Street, where it was then blocked by a line of police officers with support from a line of vans. There had been no visible signs of any violent conduct from any marcher, no disruption to public order, but marchers were told if they took a step further, they would be arrested.

One legal observer and advocate for civil rights – people who observe protest marches and assist anyone in need of legal representation – who wished to remain anonymous, told me: “I had heard there was going to be a protest in the city by another organisation but it didn’t happen, so I came over to have a look here instead.

“This was extreme,” she continued. “I’ve never seen anything like that. I have never seen batons used on kids before, and I witnessed the Piccadilly and London riots. I’ve seen violent demonstrations, this was not that, they weren’t even throwing anything, nothing.”

A police line attempts to stop the march minutes after it begins (Picture courtesy of TCN)

Scuffles between marchers and police happened throughout Bell Street as marchers tried to move forward. Police threw marchers back into the crowd – some clearly young boys – one disabled child in a wheelchair was almost knocked over by the police line.

“After the march started the police just cornered them and the vans kettled them. The marchers then tried to break through and the police got the batons out. I was elbowed into a car by the police as I tried to take photographs, they were just grabbing and pushing people.

“I managed to get the name of one 14-year-old boy as he was arrested and had his head down in a puddle. I think they were taking advantage because those marchers weren’t political protestors, they don’t know their rights.

“The police kettled them in under a bridge, it was just totally disproportionate. There was no public around that area to be disrupted and it was just outside of public view.”

Marchers broke through the attempted police blockade underneath the bridge at Bell Street (Picture courtesy of TCN)

As the marchers were surrounded by police, reports were filtering through the crowds of several arrests being made. Marchers were told if they attempted to leave they would be arrested. Around eight police vans sat at the Bell Street side of the kettled marchers, with at least another eight gathered on the Gallowgate and several police cars scattered around the area. Police officers on horses then arrived to provide another reminder to marchers that they should not attempt to move. The police helicopter had been circling in the sky from the moment marchers began gathering.

I asked several of the police officers surrounding myself and the other marchers – estimates said around 200 marchers attended, indicating for every one marcher there was a police officer – under what legislation the marchers were being held.

“They didn’t apply to march,” one told me. “They have to make an application to Glasgow City Council. We’re here to prevent disruption. We’re here for public order.”

When I asked what indication the police had been given that this might be anything other than a peaceful march, he shrugged. None of the officers I spoke to named any legislation or indicated what had happened to necessitate such a heavy police presence. “We were just told to come here,” another said, “I don’t know any more than that.”

There were several reports of police using batons on marchers (Picture courtesy of TCN)

While boxed in with the marchers, I witnessed no crowd violence. I saw a policeman pick one boy out and order him to remove his scarf from covering any of his face or he would be arrested. The boy did as he was told. As we waited to find out what the police planned to do with us, we could see marchers who had either tried to escape from the kettle or been in the surrounding area being arrested. I heard one report of a police officer being hit by a bottle but could not confirm it.

The police began allowing the marchers to leave in groups of two or three at certain intervals and from different parts of the group. As I described the scenes to a colleague on the phone, he asked me if I had my press card with me – as I responded and said the words “press card” out loud, the police immediately escorted me outside of the kettled group and told me I couldn’t stand around.

I had no choice but to watch from afar as the rest of the group was dispersed. In total, the marchers managed to make it just yards away from where they had begun assembling at 12.30pm. As I left to find somewhere to write up my notes, I spoke to two men near the Chrystal Bell pub, the marchers’ meeting point, who had also witnessed the police using batons on marchers.

A spokeswoman for Strathclyde police said: “At around 1pm, police were called to reports of a large number of people gathering outside the Chrystal Bell pub at Gallowgate, Glasgow. The crowd, many of whom were wearing similar hooded tops and using scarfs to hide their identities, appeared to be attempting to stage an illegal street procession and officers were deployed to prevent this.

“The crowd were instructed that any procession on the road was illegal but that officers would facilitate a safe and orderly procession on the pavements toward their intended destination at Celtic Park. However, this was ignored and more officers were deployed as the crowd became increasingly confrontational and aggressive. The situation was contained a short time later.

“In connection with the police operation at Gallowgate, Glasgow this afternoon, 13 people have been arrested so far in connection with alleged public order offences, and they are currently being processed. Police enquiries are continuing into the incident and officers will be studying CCTV and helicopter footage to gather further information.”

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margaret mcneil on March 16, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Never again will I question the complaints of the GB after seeing this, dispicable treatment on an orderly march. Strathclyde Police are a disgrace.

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nadia on March 16, 2013 at 6:49 pm
i witnessed this and the police were totally out of order no need for it whatsoever!

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buckie1967 on March 16, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Why was rangers fans allowed to march on hampden last year with virtually no police presence and one of there x players allowed to stand on the steps of hampden and threaten individuals who dared speak out against them. They had there faces covered and were allowed to drink. I think it is time for celtic fc to come out and denounce what is happening to there fans. Just wait till this friday when Scotland play and see what they get away with. Ps nothing against the tartan army think they support there team good or bad BUT fairs fair.

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Patty on March 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Cannae believe the polis. We never cause any troubles. We should be able to do what ever we want.

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James Cameron on March 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Sorry I missed you today Angela but I’m sure you understand, shocking tactics by the Police.

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Lauren on March 16, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Disgusted to see the way fan are being treated !! Supporting your team is not a crime !!

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Dan Breen on March 16, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Why try and turn this into an us against them Buckie? This should be an issue were club allegiances are put to one side and fans join forces for the greater good.

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Peter (@macbloscaidh) on March 16, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Dan, buckie makes a valid point.

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CarsonsArmy1912 (@CelticrRacists) on March 17, 2013 at 5:04 pm
No he doesn’t Peter, The march by Rangers fans to Hampden was authorised by GCC and sanctioned by Police. The application process was followed and all stipulations were met. but don’t let the truth get in the way of a stupid rant.

Simon Shearer on March 16, 2013 at 7:22 pm
ALL marches need to have permission from GCC prior to taking place, do the GB think they are above the law?

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JohnnyNoone on March 16, 2013 at 10:48 pm
In a free and fair society people can gather together, peacefully protest and exercise their right to freedom of speech.

To do the same in a police state you have to apply for a licence.

Supporting laws that restrict civil liberties is to accept your status as a slave. Get off your knees.

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unknown on March 16, 2013 at 7:31 pm
i am writing a complaint to the police

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Jeanette Findlay on March 16, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Excellent piece of journalism Angela – not enough journalists are opening their eyes to this. I arrived after the main group of people had been kettled. As well as all the things you mention here, I spoke to a woman with a young boy (around 7) who had been held within the group who looked very distressed. I saw a young boy being pushed by a police officer as he was released. I haven’t seen anything like this for a very long time. I would be very much obliged if you would ask the legal observer who you mention in your piece if she would contact the Fans Against Criminalisation campaign fansagainstcriminalisation@gmail.com or the Celtic Trust at celtictrust@hotmail.com .

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CarsonsArmy1912 (@CelticrRacists) on March 17, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Jeanette,

An illegal march is an illegal march, people are breaking the law ! what is it about that that you do not understand ?

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Angela Haggerty on March 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm
The legal observer I spoke to told me marches happen quite often without proper permission. The police usually guide the procession as normal. The march from the Green Brigade had around 200 people attend – far more people walked up the roads throughout the Gallowgate going to the Celtic game a short time later. It’s reasonable to question why police responded so heavily and with batons. It’s also reasonable to ask whether the cost to the taxpayer was justified. However, given the username you are using on this blog, I suspect your intention here is not to engage in productive discussion, but to play out a football rivalry. This issue is far too serious for that and I should hope you take that into consideration.

James O’Rourke on March 16, 2013 at 7:39 pm
A day which should be a fan going to see his team turns into what you could only call disgraceful. A day when families can spend together not herded into a corner and beaten like wild animals.These Celtic are your bread and butter stand up for these faithful followers of your club. They deserve your support.Police should be made to pay for there actions suspend them bring assault charges against them they can’t do this and get away with it.

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PB on March 16, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Not sure how I am placed I joined an ordrerly march after todays game with more than 200 others, we marched together using a single train to get to a single destination (Queen Street) and then made our way in a number of smaller marches to different destinations. Do I need a defence lawyer?

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Robbie Morrison on March 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm
The green brigade are a bunch of pro-IRA singing youths who 95% of decent Celtic fans want nowhere near the club.

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paul mcgachan on March 16, 2013 at 8:24 pm
….”pro-IRA singing youths” oh well’ carry on right ahead with the battering and jailing then Robbie?

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gerry brady on March 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm
id say 95% of celtic fans will be supportive of the green brigade after todays complete waste of police resorces and tax payers money. i dont understand why you dislike a young group of vocal celtic fans who are anti rascist and non violent. would you prefer the alcohol filled banana throwing celtic yob(pro ira) of the 80s to the green brigade?

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54andDEAD (@StMiley) on March 16, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Agree with Gerry, there is a little bit of the Green Brigade in 95% of Celtic fans.

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Jolly boy john on March 16, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Have you carried out a poll Robbie to arrive at this 95% of Celtic fans who want nothing to do with the Green Brigade. How many Celtic fans did you ask, where did you carry out your poll? Or as I suspect, have you plucked this 95% figure out of your empty head to suit your ill informed point of view.

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James Cameron on March 17, 2013 at 2:21 pm
What an absolute nonsense of a statement . It only highlights your ignorance of the Group and the Celtic support.

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telsh on March 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Kids and women batoned by police? ? Nonsense……but don’t let the truth get in the way of perpetuating fallacies about the treatment of fans at police hands. When you act like a ned you’ll be treated like a ned. Struggling to see the cowering women and children in these pictures.
Stop using football as an excuse to indulge in neddery.

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nicewan on March 16, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Define ‘neddy’? I would define it as drunken and violent, neither of which is applicable to the march today. I expect your definition is far simpler- poor, working class.

Now, define ‘proportionate response’.

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Davie Moloney on March 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Disgusting use of force from the police. I can only say that this reinforces the very issue the GB were protesting against. Celtic PLC will not condemn this. It has had their full backing the whole time. I am surprised that Angela is even writing this, considering the side that, she and her fellow rebel journalist have taken in supporting the bill.

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Angela Haggerty on March 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm
My ‘fellow rebel journalist’ has been of the bill’s harshest critics.

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June Nicolson on March 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm
brilliant article, angela, nothing 2 say about strathclydes daffodils, this is an issue which needs sorted jx .well done

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Stephen Lynn on March 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Typical heavy handed policing of a peaceful protest, come July we will see where they are.Not paranoid, just truthful

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Crawford Tosh on March 16, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Absolutely Disgraceful.

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Roddy MacKay on March 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Celtic fans. Loved and lauded by police all over Europe, hated and harassed by the police in Scotland. Tell me, who has the agenda here?

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shug on March 16, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Well said

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nicewan on March 16, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Celtic fans must be the only ones in Europe who experience a REPRIEVE from foreign police forces when they leave Glasgow. Its a question that should be raised more often- why is it every time we go abroad by the time we return the newspapers are full of glowing reports from front page to back about the support, and yet here we’re told we’re violent drunken criminals that cannot be trusted to walk half a mile from a pub to a football stadium?

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magz on March 17, 2013 at 11:07 am
well said

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Banana on March 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Telsh
Example of ned dish behaviour please
Stop using blogs as an excuse to indulge in being an ibrahim hemdani

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Overseas Exile on March 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Salmond’s Scotland. A glimpse into the future if independence is gained.

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unknown on March 16, 2013 at 9:34 pm
the 14 yo was held in police custody till hlf six tonite and was given a date to appear at court hes my brother we spent hpurs sitting waitin on him when the police told us that we were to come collect him at 3 oclock thy have banned him from attending football matches rather pathetic if you ask me hes a young boy who was supporting the green brigade there was no need for the way the police dealt with the matter today!!!!

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shug on March 16, 2013 at 9:49 pm
To protect and to serve,strathclydes finest fukin animals.seen it first hand.

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telsh on March 16, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Can anyone provide pictures of women and children being batoned?

No?

Thought not.

By all means submit a complaint against the police and if not satisfied contact the Police Complaints Commisioner for Scotland.

But do us a favour and stop hiding behind the name of CFC and either grow up or grow a pair.

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nicewan on March 16, 2013 at 10:34 pm
This took me all of 2 seconds after a quick google-

How old would you say that boy is? The one being grabbed by the shirt and pushed up against a wall by two mounted police officers. Thirteen? Fourteen at a push? Is this acceptable conduct in your mind? I’m sorry to disappoint you that there don’t appear to be any pictures of the precise moment of impact of police truncheons hitting women and children.

You’re coming across as having a serious agenda against the Green Brigade, of which I am not a member by any means but after today I am indeed very much a supporter.

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telsh on March 16, 2013 at 11:07 pm
I have no agenda against anyone but I do have an issue with sensationalism and spin….

There’s a world of difference between a cop grabbing a kid ( I appreciate I am ignorant of the full circumstances ) and the allegations of police brutality contained in this article.

This is the Pandora’s box that has been opened after years of pointing out the other mobs behaviour……we’re all getting a jackboot kicking. We need to be smarter than this.

Illegal demos, embarrassing banners and songs that should stay in “social” clubs? Nah, I’ll pass.

I support my team. Not the Green Brigade.

unknown on March 17, 2013 at 1:08 pm

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Me on March 16, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Why not stop the bigots who walk against everything apart from being a white scottish Protestant typical strathclyde police nothing changes

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A Roman on March 16, 2013 at 10:44 pm
To ‘unknown’, get your folks to contact Gildeas Solicitors 0845 051 0810 and get hold of Paul Kavanagh one of the Directors.

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unknown on March 17, 2013 at 8:09 am
thanks hes only a wee boy of fourteen n they think its acceptable ah put him face down in a puddle

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annonymous on March 16, 2013 at 11:05 pm
i have never witnessed anything so brutal like this in my life at one point i feared for my safety “keeping people safe”- quote by strathclyde police. absolute joke!

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gerry brady on March 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm
ive noticed recently police allowing so called loyalists hold illegal “flag protests” in glasgow where illegal songs have been chanted and nazi salutes given in full view of police. is there a reason why such activity is tolerated whilst a group of football fans walking 1 mile to a game are treated like terrorists. also did juventus supporters apply to glasgow city council a few weeks back for a licence for their corteo to celtic park?? i doubt it but were given every assistance from the police as were rapid vienna,hamburg and other visiting fans over the years.

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nicewan on March 17, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Because the cops are absolute shitebags who don’t want to mix it with 2-3k genuine football hooligans and trouble makers like you’d get with foreign supports like Juve or Hamburg. They’d much rather target the Green Brigade, where the average member is maybe ten years younger than foreign groups and they can go and kick their front door in at 6am a week later. Absolute shitebags, Everyone in Glasgow must have at least one story of a cop bottling it from a group and then acting billy big baws when his mates arrive in vans ten minutes later.

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Eleanor Digan on March 16, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Wasn’t there but after reading this its shocking that the police can get away with this. No one was out to cause any trouble. There was no need for all the police presence and those arrests that were made were caused by police in first place as it would have been peaceful if they hadnt done what they did. If the police are going to look at their CCTV footage and helicopter footage. Maybe they should supply this to the news to be shown if they don’t think they’ve done anything wrong but I bet they don’t.

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Kellybhoy on March 16, 2013 at 11:33 pm
How did they happen to have 200 police at a moments notice, not only GB that had plans then. Hopefully it was filmed and we see the outcome of this but not holding my breath, great article I hope someone takes notice

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peter on March 17, 2013 at 12:33 am
the problem is that the scottish government brought in a law concerning secterian singing at football matches, they then realised that they couldn’t arrest Celtic fans because the song we sing aren’t secterian so they changed the law to “songs of hatred” in order to include Celtic fans. This obviosly hasn’t worked and Strathclyde Police are looking for any way to arrest Celtic fans in order to make their numbers look good and to make it look like the law is working.

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Henry Clarson on March 17, 2013 at 2:34 am
Angela, thank you for this valuable report.
I’m glad that you were one of the ones who were there (although that doesn’t mean that I’m glad that you were subjected to this barbaric police behaviour!)
Incidents like this too often go unreported.
Even so, there is nonsense coming in from every direction to try to muddy the waters. Some accuse the people who were caught up in this of being anti-social anarchists; others are trying to score political points by linking this particular outrage to the SNP’s indefensible Offensive Behaviour Act; yet others are saying that the police were merely enforcing a law (as if the police invariably respond in this manner to every minor infraction).

Here is the truth.
The Police are drunk with power and irresponsible in wielding it.
They are too ready to resort to cowardly attacks on innocent people, safe in the belief that they won’t be held to account for their viciousness.
They are extremely selective about whom they choose to target for “law enforcement”.
There was no comparable police activity when spontaneous “Fleg” protests took place nor when Bomber “Show Us The Deeds” Brown was stirring up passions outside Ibrox Park nor when thousands of Sevconians marched to Hampden to cheer Willie Pullar as he menacingly assured the assembled mob that dire retribution would be the lot of anyone who stood in their way.
There was no Offensive Behaviour Act in place nor was there even a Scottish Parliament in existence when the police mounted a cavalry charge in Janefield Street in 1985, causing mayhem, destruction and injuries to dozens of peaceable fans (including a very serious compound fracture of a fan’s leg). Unsurprisingly, a Police Inquiry into the conduct of the Police totally exonerated the… er… the Police.

We all know that the Police will not accept criticism of their unacceptable behaviour.
We know in advance that they will defend themselves – if they haven’t already – with a cover story about preventing an outbreak of lawlessness, that they were acting in the best interests of the general public, that they had intelligence sources who had warned them of the impending collapse of Western civilisation, that they had reason to believe that elements of the crowd were on their way to Buckingham Palace to assassinate the Queen, that they Police have a very difficult job to do, especially when they have to defend the public from the… er… public. It’s tripe and we should all now it by now.
The biggest danger to the public is an irresponsible Police force which has too many powers and not enough restraint.

But let’s play them at their own game.
Let’s take them at their word.
Let’s help them to maintain law and order and stamp out potential outbreaks of lawlessness.
Their selective enforcement of some laws in some circumstances (but not others) is their Achilles’ heel. We can push it to the lawful limit if they’re going to insist on justifying their atrocious behaviour in the Gallowgate by suggesting that they were merely carrying out their duty to uphold the law.

There are countless gatherings of people in the streets and in other public places which the Police (rightly) choose not to interfere with.
Let’s put a stop to that.

Let’s call the Police every time we see a hen party making its way from pub to pub without having asked the Justice Secretary for permission.
Let’s make formal complaints every time we see three or more people assembling outside Tesco, clearly intent upon making a peaceful protest against the prices at the Co-op by marching into another store. That calls for police action if the shoppers haven’t obtained a permit to allow them to march through the aisles.

Let’s report students who are making their way into the nation’s universities with the suspected intention of wanting to learn about Islamic history or Marxist politics or how to make chemical compounds that might potentially be used for weapons of mass destruction.

Let’s see the Police kettling the delegates and members of political parties who make their way to party conferences, or any other meetings, determined to overthrow the established order.

Let’s also call upon the Police to do their duty by arresting people in suits who queue up at a train station on their way to the banks where they work. Everyone knows that banks are defrauding the entire country and stealing millions of pounds from us every day so it’s entirely reasonable for us to call upon the Police to kettle these anti-social elements until the rest of us can get some semblance of a real economy working.

Let’s call the Police every time we see a car with its front foglights on when visibility is not reduced to less than one hundred yards.
Let’s report to the Police every suspected case of “drunk and incapable” whenever we see people stumbling as they emerge from a pub.
Let’s call the Police whenever we overhear somebody using foul and abusive language.
Let’s call the Police every time we become aware of a breach of the peace.
Any breach of the peace. Somebody talking too loudly in a park disturbs your peace?
Fetch the Rozzers. Two hundred of them, if possible.
After all, we’re paying for them. We might as well get our money’s worth.

Seriously, these people are out of control. They have no awareness of their station as public servants. They have convinced themselves that there the public’s masters. They’re not. We are their masters.
They used to understand that the tradition of this country is that we do not have policing by force but rather we tolerate policing only by consent. Perhaps many of the current generation haven’t so much forgotten that fundamental principle but have never known it in the first place.
Either way, the Police have convinced themselves that the public is their enemy.
They are squarely on the right track towards making that false belief come true.
They have made the wrong choice of enemy.

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annemarie on March 17, 2013 at 2:39 am
I live in Parkhead around corner from celtic park and every home game fans are harrased in streets by police but local drug dealers get to deal drugs right under the ctv cameras and outside schools and on st corners police should be spending our taxes getting rid of them instead of harrasing people because of the team we support.!!! Strathclyde Police are a joke in Glasgow

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Peter Carr on March 17, 2013 at 4:13 am
I live in Seattle. The team here ( the Seattle Sounders). The fans here congregate before home games and march down main street , led by a marching band, to the joy of everyone.I am disgusted at what went on here.it looks like these people were set up for this kind of response. Over here it is called police brutality.

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Gerry on March 17, 2013 at 6:20 am
You cannot just block the roads because 200 plus people decide to have an impromptu march to protest something. As Angela states in her artcile you need to get smarter and more politically savvy. You should have spoken in advance to the City Council/Police and got agreement to effectively close the roads. That is necessary for the safety of those marching but also for the safety of other road users (someone could have accidentally ploughed into you all with a car if some of the crossroads are not closed as you walk through them).

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Angela Haggerty on March 17, 2013 at 8:46 am
When I’ve gone to football games I I’ve walked in much larger crowds than that which have completely halted traffic. It happens every week at big football grounds. The legal adviser I spoke to had attended many marches which had not applied for formal permission and had never seen the police use it as justification for such a response.

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Gerry on March 17, 2013 at 10:15 am
Hi Angela, as have I. But this was a co-ordinated protest, which brings with it other issues for policing. Its down to communication. If you won’t have dialogue with people don’t be surprised if they misinterpret your intentions

mhairi on March 17, 2013 at 6:49 am
This a massive escalation of something that has been going on for a long time. The Green Brigade are being seriously targetted, as are peaceful protesters.

I hope that Strathy polis get a rash of complaints about this. Its totally unacceptable.

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NuttyforLife on March 17, 2013 at 8:22 am
The Police couldn’t handle football hooligans when we ran amok in the 80′s and 90′s. As some may be old enough to remember the heavy handling of supporters was common at most games up and down the country. But a few cameras, some utter garbage laws, the media waiting to vindicate decent fans by dragging their names through the papers, with the slogan sectarian attached….another nail in the coffin of freedom.

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Angela young on March 17, 2013 at 8:27 am
Totally shocked and disgusted! Celtic are known to have the best fans in the world! There was absolutely no need! There is no justice system in this country!

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magz on March 17, 2013 at 9:41 am
get the pictures, and videos, get the witnesses, get the proof needed and get the complaints into the police, this is totally unacceptable behaviour by strathclydes finest, nothing new though but it shouldn’t be allowed to continue

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Jake on March 17, 2013 at 9:54 am
To the people asking for evidence of what went on, you obviously haven’t looked very hard yourself. There’s avideo I just seen on YouTube of 6 of them ‘restraining’ a 15 year old boy, who was walking away from the crowd, doing nothing wrong.
Disgusting! They need to get out & use tax-payers money to catch REAL criminals!

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magz on March 17, 2013 at 10:47 am
I seen that iam just saying get a good case together and something will have to be done, I wasn’t getting at anyone or saying it didn’t happen ,so get a grip mate, we should all be together in this no sitting wating to nitpick aw the comments,and for the record I am 100 percent for this

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Gerry on March 17, 2013 at 10:06 am
How would the police know if their response was disproportionate or not? If there is no dialogue with the police beforehand upwards of 10,000 protestors could have turned up.

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Mcardle67 on March 17, 2013 at 10:46 am
There have been many marches in the past to games which the police have not been notified of. Have a look at this video from the cup final versus Aberdeen 2 years ago http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l-N-uIz-Bys. 10 times the amount of people who were in attendance yesterday and the police cooperated with this march. What’s the difference now? The GB are being treated like hooligans and with the amount of police in the gallowgate yesterday it looked like a training exercise for some sort of terrorist attack! Strathclyde police should hang their heads in shame!

I think this decision to be so heavy handed will come back to haunt them. Notify them of the next march to the ground, get all Celtic fans involved and have thousands attending, I look forward to it!

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Tom McGuigan on March 17, 2013 at 10:22 am
Have to defend the Celtic fans of the 80′s who were slated earlier Yes they were Pro-Ira at a time when the British goverment they never voted for were murdering people in the Streets Apart from the Mark Walters incident which most Celtic fan complained about they forget the standing ovation they gave to Laurie Cunningham when he played for Real at Parkhead and in a blue jersey too The Celtic fans were more politically aware The support they gave the miners, Lech Walesa, etc proves my point . I know cause I was there !!!

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margaret mcneil on March 17, 2013 at 11:23 am
I was appalled at the treatment of that young lad, who when he was roughly handled and brought down by 4 police officers. I was also astounded at the general story the police were giving to the press about some fans dressing the same and of them having scarfs hiding their faces. Sorry, but having watched a few videos I don’t see what the police said they saw. Of course a lot of young fans would wear tops or jackets the same, they are supporting the same club, that is not a crime ,or against any law. Wearing scarfs in winter is not against the law, neither is the wearing of a scarf over the face. Of all the marches held in Scotland official or otherwise when has anyone seen such a large number of police in attendance for such a small group of people. That would not have been the case if it was any other group of football fans, unfortunately it was the GB and that seems to be the red rag to the bull as far as the police are concerned. There seems to be an agenda by the powers that be to make life as uncomfortable as possible for members of the GB.

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unknown on March 17, 2013 at 12:11 pm
totally agree with what you said the polis escalated that yesterday. how they needed that amount of police to bring down one wee boy is beyond me think its about time the polis start dealin with real crime and no wee boys that just wana show there support

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Chris Cullen on March 17, 2013 at 11:37 am
If any other person or peoples acted in the manner of most of the police at that march they would be looking at a heafty fine or imprisonment. Strathclyde Police = hooligans with uniforms.

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Mark G on March 17, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Just watched some of the footage that’s on youtube of this event, and I suggest everyone else does the same. I’m sure there is cause for complaint in some of the behaviour of the police, but I’d like to point out that several of the people arrested deserved it, and the “15 year old boy” that had several members of Strathclyde police around him trying to get him under control, was actively resisting arrest, which is a crime.
I wonder how people would feel if they were actually to experience the lawless and unregulated society that they seem to crave so much. I sleep peacefully without the fear of serious gang violence, terrorism, or other major crimes, because we have a legal system and sufficient governance to prevent us all from descending into chaos ( see the middle east). It’s a shame that so many see the need to wish it all away.

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nicewan on March 17, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Why do you think anyone criticising police brutality and victimisation automatically wants the country to be some kind of police-free anarchic warzone? Why do you think that its impossible to have a police force that doesn’t engage in bullying and intimidation? People don’t want NO police- they want PROPER police. Police that operate with the general public’s interests at heart, police that respond appropriately and proportionately, police who don’t sit on children’s backs with their mates slamming handcuffs on them and throwing them into a cell for charges to be determined later when they all get their heads together.

Glasgow has a serious problem with its police force. Here more than anywhere else I’ve ever lived the police seem to think they can do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want. People like you allow this to happen because you make excuses for them or ridicule anyone who dissents.

Days like today are the start of a very slippery slope. The police need to learn their behaviour is not acceptable and will not be tolerated by the public, its not the time to let petty differences divide us. If there is one cast iron guarantee from this it is that if the police see they can get away with this against the green brigade, then they will try it again with someone else. Maybe next time it’ll be something to do with you or yours, and presumably then you’ll want someone else to stand in your corner with you.

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Jeanette Findlay on March 17, 2013 at 1:08 pm
There is no debate to be had with someone who is so blatantly unwilling to acknowledge what they have seen with their own eyes….so I won’t have one. I’ll let you get back to your shift officer.

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Mark G on March 17, 2013 at 1:20 pm
As I said, I’m sure there are members of the police who were less than unscrupulous in their behaviour yesterday, and at various other times, but that doesn’t mean that said “15 year old” was innocent, or that anyone else arrested on the day was either.
For the record, I am not a police officer, I’m a support worker for adults with learning disabilities
You can’t have it both ways. There is no “right amount of power”. The public as a whole complain when the police operate within legislation to do their jobs, and cry “police state”, but when they don’t have as much power, and serious offences go unpunished, the public want to know what’s going to be done about it.
Attitudes across the board need to change. It’s not just the police, it’s ordinary folk that need to care a little bit more about the way their society has developed, and act responsibly to change it.

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Jeanette Findlay on March 17, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Mark, I am happy to apologise for my earlier, slightly snide remark. However, it is clear that you have no idea about the level of abuse and intimidation Celtic fans have been subjected to over the past year. Until you inform yourself about the experiences of this particular group I would suggest you keep an open mind on it.

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Mark G on March 17, 2013 at 1:57 pm
As, I’ve only been to three games at Parkhead this year, you’re right, I probably am unaware of exactly how bad the situations you speak of may have been. Can you honestly say though, that everyone involved was innocent of any wrongdoing?
I’d like to add, your apology there was in incredibly good taste, well in.

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eddie coyle on March 17, 2013 at 1:30 pm
amazing that so many police officers horses cars and vans were able to get to the incident so quickly ! a bit of telepathy maybe ? The police were out for a fight,

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Colin Dolan on March 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm
From the various reports I have read it is obvious the Police certainly knew in advance that a protest march was taking place and where it was setting off from, this raises a couple of questions 1) If permission had been applied for to Glasgow City Council would it have been granted? 2) If permission had been granted, how many Police officers would have been deployed? Video evidence can be used in many formats and the arguement from either the Police or the protesting fans & those caught up in this mess will be similar, that we cannot see what happens just prior to the available footage, no doubt footage can and probably will be edited to suit each party involved. I have been reading about the Police’s heavy handed treatment of the GB as well as other groups such as The Vanguard Bears & The Blue Order. The new laws were introduced to Scotland to help reduce problems associated with football fans, I fully understand the need however I don’t feel the Police & the courts have utalised this correctly. Football banning orders will be handed out to some of the 13 fans arrested yesterday, maybe even some who the Police have yet to arrest!

I am delighted to know the facts Angela, someone I trust and respect was a witness to this particular mess.

We all need to keep an open mind on such matters though.

I hope that the GB apply for permits in the future, let’s see how many of Strathclyde’s finest are deployed! Angela maybe you could look at previous protests in Glasgow with and without GCC’s permission to compare the number of deployed. Was the number of Police deployed on this ocassion comparable to any previous event legal or illegal?

Great article Angela, great account first hand, no doubt more accurate than what is being reported in the Scottish media.

Any proof yet re reports yesterday that 2 of the 13 arrested were carrying knives and that 1 person was arrested for assaulting a Police Officer?

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Angela Haggerty on March 17, 2013 at 3:42 pm
I haven’t seen any official source mentioning knives, I’m not sure where that’s coming from. The police statement said only that people had been arrested for alleged public order offences.

nicewan on March 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm
The knives rumour seem to have been started by the Rangers blogger Chris Graham. Absolute garbage obviously, if any knives had been recovered then it would have been mentioned by now without a doubt by the police in order to justify their actions. And assault on a police officer, probably the most easily trumped up charge there is. And even if he did assault the cop, it was probably something to do with the fact that he had spent the last 2 hours being prodded and goaded and treated like an animal by the police.

David on March 17, 2013 at 2:06 pm
I was in the vicinity , & it was a rabble that I seen – you can’t get away with chanting anti police & British song , in our cities ?! Are you being deliberately controversial ???

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Angela Haggerty on March 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm
I didn’t hear any anti-police or anti-British slogans. However, with freedom of speech in a democracy, people are free to express such opinions however they wish. It would be a frightening day indeed if you couldn’t voice opinions about the state and its services.

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Mark G on March 17, 2013 at 2:32 pm
I’m not so sure about that Angela. In the United States they take their freedom of speech even more seriously than the British do, and because of this, individuals can behave completely reprehensibly with no repercussions. In particular I would note the Westboro Baptist Church, a vile group of people who regularly disrupt funeral services with their “free speech”.
I dread the day this sort of barbarism makes its way here.

Angela Haggerty on March 17, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I dread the day when the state only permits views it agrees with or deeems suitable for little old me to be exposed to! Speech shouldn’t be banned because your perception of it is barbaric, that’s a step towards fascism. With freedom of speech and democracy comes a price, that price is that you will occasionally be offended. You’re a big boy, I’m sure you’ll cope.

Colin Dolan on March 17, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Have not heard of any ant-British / anti-Police chanting whatsoever from yesterday, can you provide evidence of this Mark. Big difference between what the Celtic fans were protesting about and that so-called Church. Freedom of speech comes with responsibility, use it wisely and people will listen if you cannot then people will turn against you.

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Mark G on March 17, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Colin, I’m not sure your comment was addressed correctly – I don’t recall mentioning anti-British/anti police chanting.

Jeanette on March 17, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Mark

I was there, I spoke to other eye witnesses, I studied the footage. I can see no wrongdoing of any kind. That however is not the point. Policing is supposed to be by consent and proportionate. When it is not then the police have to be called to account.

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Mark G on March 17, 2013 at 2:46 pm
With rights come responsibilities Angela, and if people want to exercise their rights to free speech, they should do so responsibly.

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The GB/The Polis/The PLC

Divide & Conquer”

Once again the confrontational intimidation process widely used by the straffy polis to harass & intimidate Celtic fans prematch has once again reared its ugly fascist police state head!
The latest “Incident” has occured at the turnstyles at CP prior to the 3pm kick off against DUFC & has once again thrown the police/club “are in cahoots against us” argument again which will keep continuing as long as nobody takes a stand.
By taking a stand i mean the GB should start organising and rethinking the way to deal with these ongoing & continual disruptions with the way fans are treated going to support the team.
I personally am against boycotting games and official club merchandising as a way of protest!!
I would prefer a section of the support bombard the clubs website…clubs head of security…any official part of Celtic with calls/texts/emails & maybe organise a petition outlining the grieveances felt by the supporters & deliver said petition to CP via a peaceful protest.

Have a visible presence felt…not an invisible one!!

Im sure the members of the GB could organise,mobilise & motivate the rank & file to stand up & demand answers from the polis & the hierarchy at CP (You only have to look at the stadium displays from the past to realise the strength & potential the GB has).
We all have to realise that times have changed & everything is way PC now & in my opinion too namby pamby.The Old jungle days are gone where you could swagger in after a bottle of wine up a close & belt oot the rebs solid for 90 mins & even play republican choons on flutes in full view of the polis.
Those days are gone now & the word “Sectarian”  has been replaced by the word “Offensive” now.
The goalposts have been moved numerous times to continually accomodate the politicians & powers to be that think they know the game more than the people who are actually living,breathing & financially supporting the game.

The polis know they only have to hassle fans just enough for them to say “fuck it…am ootta here”…& others will leave as well in protest cos thats what happened prematch before DUFC game #JobDonePolisHaveEasyShiftFor90Mins

Celtic destroyed the Arabs 6-2 after being a goal down & after midweek heartache against Juve to contend with…but all we will get on fans forums/twitter/FB is the disgraceful treatment of certain sections of our support who are continually targeted for “preferential” treatment!!
Certain people at Celtic are accountable for security/treatment of supporters at CP & should be forced to make a statement on “banning orders” supposedly drawn up by them & distributed to the polis.Supporters pay the wages of these people who consume the prawn sannies & sit in the comfy seats whilst the lifeblood of the club are being systematically targeted by unruly polis!!

I belive every Celtic is unique & equal at the same time.

I belive 1 Celtic fan should have the backing of the Celtic family.

The huns are deid & buried & making an arse of themselves as the tribute act tries to stabilise itself & claw its way upwards…we are nowhere near that position & are in financially the best health ever.
But it really saddens me to read online Cellic fans tearing in to each other debating about the treatment being dished out to certain supporters….Stop arguing & start uniting against a common enemy!!

It doesnt matter to me if you are a diehard fan with a ST or a fan who can only go once every 2/3 weeks…

“For we are Celtic Supporters….faithful thru n thru….”

More Armageddon @Celtic Park

The Tumbleweed Rolls Thru London rd Ticket Q!! Well thats that then 😦 No chance of a ticket for me & my big mate Ian P….Canny get a brief “fur love nor money”. As i write this blog (extremely gutted by the way) tweets are coming in about hardy folk who camped out the night before outside the ticket offices to guarantee themselves a brief (Respect to them). Other hardy souls were up at the crack of dawn & straight down to London Rd to stake a place in the swelling ranks that were continually growing in numbers as the dawn broke over Paradise.My master plan to have a mate from work “dive in tae parkheed n git 2 tickets” was well & truly scuppered as tweets & fotos started to flood in at the size of the Q gathering at CP. Plan B was a laptop,notebook,iphone & android fone to log on to the club website & try to obtain 2 briefs cyberstyle ( wasnt going to try the phone at 10p a minute)…..hopes started fading as calls..txts..tweets..carrier pigeons..smoke signals etc started to appear on my fone to confirm my worst fears. Supporters were being told to not bother turning up at CP before the TO was even open…then the “no public sale” statement came out..then msgs online on stating “ST holders are not guaranteed tickets”….*Bummer.com* This is what happens when you support Scotlands Premier Team who are flying the flag for the nation and raising the hopes of hundreds of thousands a proud bhoys n ghirls all over the world;-) and not the doom & gloom armageddon pish thats continually being peddled by our inadequate SMSM. Meanwhile over at sevconia towers were being entertained with photos of “Oor Ally” hanging over a ST growth chart (designed by P2 school weans by the looks of it) proudly proclaiming how financially well off they are due to massive ST sales pffffft;-) Im resigned to the fact that i will catch the Juve game live at CP…On the telly doon the GG or in the numerous boozers along London Rd, either way i will be rooting for Lennys Lions way ma mucker Ian P….COYBIG HH.

Thots plz???

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Celebrating Christmas.

First of all i would personally like to wish each & everyone of you a very merry christmas;-)
Christmas is a time of the year that holds dear to the vast majority of us in some shape or form,whether through a religious form or maybe just through the family getting together and celebrating.
For myself personally its all about the weans & looking at their wee faces lighting up when they open up pressies…priceless;-)

Whilst we all have our own personal takes on this time of the year we must also be thankful for what we have & be grateful also….for there are others out there who have very little or nothing at all to celebrate at this time of the year.Some folk will struggle to provide food or presents for their families and some folk will be suffering from depression or some other form of a mental…

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